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July 25, 2005

Polly Toynbee on terrorism and religion

Polly Toynbee has a powerful article on terrorism and religion:

“It is time now to get serious about religion - all religion - and draw a firm line between the real world and the world of dreams. Tony Blair has taken entirely the wrong path. He has appeased, prevaricated and pretended, maybe because he is a man of faith himself, with a Catholic wife who consorts with crystals… .
All the state can do is hold on to secular values. It can encourage the moderate but it must not appease religion. The constitutional absurdity of an established church once seemed an irrelevance, but now it obliges similar privileges to all other faiths. There is still time - it may take a nonreligious leader - to stop this madness and separate the state and its schools from all religion. It won’t stop the bombing now but at least it would not encourage continued school segregation for generations to come.”

www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/comment/story/0,16141,1534014,00.html

Posted by Simon Holledge at July 25, 2005 11:03 PM

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This seems to me quite a useless propaganda. When there will be millions of muslims in Europe, muslims that openly and honestly say that they don't believe in democracy but want an "ethic" state or even a teocracy (like honestly admitted by Anjem Chourasi on CNN) who is going to stop them? This is also the ultimate strategy of Al-Qaeda and the Jiiad, in other words to colonize the world and convert people to the muslims religion. Imagine when muslims will be a good 35% of the UK population (with the current immigration rate it won't be too far in the future) and a muslim party will be formed pretty much like the catholic or christian democrat parties in europe, of course 99% of muslims will vote for it (unless we keep believing in fairy tales) and they will gradually change our society and laws regardless of the rants of Miss Toynbee that will be probably wear a burqa by that time.

Posted by: Imperial Mission at July 26, 2005 08:49 AM

Hmm. I am not impressed by your reasoning.

1. Why do you call the Toynbee article propaganda/a rant? Who is it propaganda for?

2. Do you mean "ethic" or ethnic?

3. By 'teocracy' do you mean 'theocracy' or somewhere where everybody drinks tea?

3. Why not decide whether or not you are going to capitalize words?

4. Why not give your name? If you write this kind of anonymous stuff people will think you are a troll and ban you.

Posted by: Simon Holledge at July 26, 2005 12:13 PM

Hmmmm. 'Troll' wasn't exactly the first thought that came into my mind. 'Imperial Mission' isn't entirely clear whose side he/she is on, but either way I hope there aren't many more like him/her out there.

Thanks for the link to Polly Toynbee's article, Simon. Consider it further disseminated via my site...

Posted by: Mark Gamon at July 26, 2005 01:51 PM

I mean theocracy and ethic like in Protestant ethic. I am no Troll, it is a fact that wherever muslims became the majority the country became a theocracy. That is a fact. Now, I want to tell you a joke I will quickly translate from Italian.

A missionary arrives in an Africa Muslims country and join a remote village of savages which have never seen the a white man before. He stays with them few year and teach them many good things like writing, reading and the Christian good morality including not having immoral sex. The savages learn happily and start behaving properly since one day the wife of the village chief gives birth to a white baby. The savages are shocked and ask the white man why he went against his own teachings and had immoral sex. The missionary asnwers: "No no, you got it wrong. The baby is an albino! You see your ships over there? There are all whites apart from one that is black. It is a perfectly natural phenomenona and can happen!".

The village chief remains silent for few minutes and then says: "OK, you don't mention the ship anymore and I won't mention the baby".

Posted by: Imperial Mission at July 26, 2005 07:02 PM

Ship = sheep :-)

Posted by: Imperial Mission at July 26, 2005 07:04 PM